tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674337471812945230.post4812056298340888731..comments2024-03-18T23:01:39.823-04:00Comments on Jungle Frolics: An Illustrated History of Heidi SahaRichard Belandhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09551263003857476982noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674337471812945230.post-82453686397524247702020-02-22T14:41:44.370-05:002020-02-22T14:41:44.370-05:00If your parents had cared about your sister, Matt,...If your parents had cared about your sister, Matt, they wouldn't have fed her to a well-known pedophile like Ackerman. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674337471812945230.post-13438117025922634012019-05-28T11:57:22.888-04:002019-05-28T11:57:22.888-04:00As I already stated I WAS THERE. You do not know u...As I already stated I WAS THERE. You do not know us and you did not know us then and we did not know who you were either until you forced yourself into our purview when you produced that sick hit job of a piece at Creation. My sister and I created and performed together numerous dance productions throughout NYC and the Tri -State area, well beyond SF or Comic Conventions. The only dance performance my sister did at a Comic or Science Fiction convention (with music accompanied by a "tape machine) was her interpretation of "Papa Was a Rolling Stone" by The Temptations and I WAS THERE. The dance piece was fairly well received, for a non SF or Fantasy related piece. Your version of events is sick fantasy and simply did not happen and this fugue is supposed to provide you with some sort of justification for your psycho-sexually suggestive hit piece on my sister and mother at Creation. You attempt to set my mother and father up as the bad fall guys for your reprehensible behavior. As I have already stated there was no stage mom or dad in this picture, EVER. And just how is your justification supposed to work? A picture of a half naked girl (who is not my sister) scrounged from Screw Magazine with a tag line Seidi Hahahaha? That taunt was not funny or original on the third grade playground either. It's a Finnish name-get over it. I WAS ALSO THERE when my father saw this garbage and picked you up and threw you against the wall. I remember the guilty loser look on your face. And you were thrown out of that particular convention. Please troll or glom onto some other name in order to achieve whatever significance you think you may achieve. We do not want anything to do with you and never have.Matt5555https://www.blogger.com/profile/14114101232382159299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674337471812945230.post-18817824928417466112019-05-12T11:41:52.251-04:002019-05-12T11:41:52.251-04:00There IS A MEMORY DEFECT in my narrative above, al...There IS A MEMORY DEFECT in my narrative above, although not directly about the situation with Heidi/her mom/program book. My father died three weeks AFTER this Jan 4-6 1974 convention, not a few days before. HOWEVER, the part about running into Jim Warren, who said nothing about the program book to me, but instead proffered condolences at the passing of may father, DID HAPPEN at the next convention we were both at, which was Lunacon. Both he and the publishers of The Monster Times [Larry Brill & Les Waldstein] where I worked part-time after HS, also sent mailed condolences to my family. All the other statements I've made above are entirely correctMannyLunchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06204813333814651778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674337471812945230.post-89975058335967246562019-05-12T11:24:42.897-04:002019-05-12T11:24:42.897-04:00PART 2:
I felt really bad for Heidi. And my suspi...PART 2:<br /><br />I felt really bad for Heidi. And my suspicion of that *xxxx* of a mother's politic in USING her to vicariously live through her daughter was confirmed in spades.<br /><br />So later that year, I saw a picture of a young girl in Gallery magazine who was reminiscent of Heidi - and all of a sudden an idea popped into my head (at that point I had already been commissioned to produce the Creation program booklet) on how to make a public comment that would force the issue, and perhaps foment a situation wherein her mother would cease such behaviour.<br /><br />"With a word she commands her 'bout the floor" (from my Stairway To Heaven parody).<br /><br />Al Schuster (who started the Star Trek conventions, and was also the printer for many fan related publications in the comic and SF worlds, and also of this booklet) decided to put his ad directly across from this page - and he was a friend of the Saha's!<br /><br />Many people/ artists/ writers, including witnesses to the reception travesty such as Neal Adams, came up to congratulate me for having taken such bold action. Others whom I had been friendly with beforehand, such as the Saha's good friend Gray Morrow, never spoke to me again.<br /><br />At night of the first day, Art Saha came running up to me in the lobby screaming, "That's not my daughter!" and proceeded to throttle me against a wall, my feet off the ground. I said it wasn't, he accused me of using a "spoonerism" (named after a certain preacher of the 19th century who would switch the first letters of two sequential words in his sermons to make a point humorously). Phil Seuling came to the rescue, and man-handled Art off of me.<br /><br />Phil did not attack me, Phil did not ban me from his conventions. Ahh, blogging is far worse - and more damaging - than the game of "telephone".<br /><br />The results are well known and can be seen by anyone by viewing the booklet - hopefully the less dim-wits amongst this blog can see that this attacked the manipulative mother, NOT the daughter.<br /><br />Warren himself was tight-lipped, but civil. He came up to me and expressed his sorrow that my father had passed (a couple of days before the convention). Future issues of Warren mags no longer advertised the Heidi book - he presumably had the rest destroyed as a result of the reception.<br /><br />Heidi herself understood - while walking away from her room on the eve of the second night, a few doors down from mine, one of her girlfriends peeled off from her clique and came up to me: "Heidi says 'Thank You' ".<br /><br />She knew (or hoped) her parents (mother and weak father) would never do this to her again." -Emanuel Maris<br /><br /><br />POST COMMENT - And, for the record, I was NEVER banned from any convention for ANY reason, including Phil Seuling's [for whom I ran the Dealer's room in 1972 and 1973] OR ELSE HOW did i have Dealer's booths at Phil's cons under my own name in 1974 and 1975 ??? [R U listening, Angee, et al??]MannyLunchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06204813333814651778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674337471812945230.post-10733457315370660072019-05-12T11:23:56.111-04:002019-05-12T11:23:56.111-04:00My original posting from about a decade ago, so th...My original posting from about a decade ago, so that incorrect/misquoted references to it may be quelled, and the recent postings may be better put into context. Let the biases fall where they may. At least there's hope for a planet where at least a double-digit percentage of the respondents to this scenario ALSO feel that the young girl was being manipulated/used in a way that would not be tolerated now!<br /><br />PART 1:<br /><br />"Well, suppose I set the story straight(er), as to my reasons for writing the Heidi poem in the Creation '74 (Jan) program I edited and published for Malin/ Berman's convention.<br /><br />I always harbored a little bit of attitude against entrants for a Costume Parade Prize who didn't personally make their own costumes (like 'buying' a prize away from those fans who worked hard - or using steroids in a sports event).<br /><br />However, I always was polite to the Saha's and their daughter, even when Heidi's mom pestered me for photo's of past events with Heidi.<br /><br />The turning point came when Phil held a reception for the guests and workers of the '73 July Comic Art Convention [for which I ran the dealers room]. Held in one of the smaller ballrooms with large banquet-style round tables, one table was taken by Neal Adams and his Crusty Bunkers, and so on.<br /><br />I witnessed the following up close:<br /><br />Heidi's mom physically dragged an on-the-verge-of-tears Heidi into this reception, along with a cassette boom-box, which she turned on and nastily (sic) ordered Heidi to pirouette around the room. Heidi refused. Her mom got louder and nastier. Heidi again refused and started crying. Her mom then slapped her hard.<br /><br />The conversation in the room stopped, all eyes on this embarrassing scene. The entire Adams table got up and walked out, followed en masse by most of the guests. The reception prematurely over.<br /><br />MannyLunchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06204813333814651778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674337471812945230.post-60563001994391301732019-05-12T10:41:49.808-04:002019-05-12T10:41:49.808-04:00Matt,
You say "false narratives perpetuated...Matt, <br /><br />You say "false narratives perpetuated by people who were not there". You waited decades for your 'blindly loyal to family' comments - any much longer and all witnesses to what i experienced first-hand will be dead or completely unable to recall the details. Matt, YOU WERE NOT THERE when your mother decided to beat an in-tears Heidi in public at the reception for artists and staff, for refusing to pirouette around the room to music from the tape machine your mother brought along for that unannounced - and unrequired -spurious purpose. I WAS THE CLOSEST PERSON, 5 FEET AWAY, APPALLED (If that is not the action of the extreme manipulative 'stage mother' mentality, then there is no such creature). HALF the room walked out - all you have to do is contact people still living WHO WERE THERE, like Neal Adams, Paul Levitz, and, if you only put any effort into an objective fact-finding research mission, you COULD find many other living people, mostly older comic artists and writers, WHO WERE THERE to VERIFY that. YOU WERE NOT THERE when Heidi sent her friend over to say Thank You to me in her presence and while watching. Again you've waited long enough for your comments [you've had a lifetime to put it out there, certainly ten years since I posted my lengthy explanation] to be accepted as fact merely because because you are the younger brother. Your vehemence is motivated by emotion for you sister, for your love for your sister, for your love for your parents, for all the memories of family throughout your life. Nothing wrong with having those loves. But don't allow that to justify making any unwitnessed- and unresearched-by-you comments to make events just what you want it to be in blind obedience to your passions. YOU WERE NOT THERE when your father attacked me, so again your diatribe rewrites a history using passion to parrot only what you were told by family [though likely NOT by your sister], and not by outsiders/third-party observers (for the purposes of this story, i must not claim to be a third-party observer, you should look for truth/facts/statements from others WHO WERE THERE, regardless of how ugly that might be). YOU WERE NOT WITNESS TO in that Phil Seuling intervened instead, not that your father relented.<br />The events of that 1973 show propelled me to make a pubic comment DIRECTLY to the witnessing audience of these situations, the comic-con attendees, not in unrelated forums like Shoe Retailler Magazine where it wouldn't be seen by those affected. <br /><br />AGAIN, my page in the Creation Program book, was IN NO WAY an attack on your sister, whom i wished well. I barely knew her, maybe we spoke ten words ever to each other, but her barely-hidden-to-the-public abuse by your mom, silently [or otherwise] sanctioned by your dad, is not negated nor disproved nor ameliorated by any of your's [or others'] testimonials of their professions, pasttimes, and years of good experiences of/with them. It is somewhat tawdry of you to present any of that stuff as having meaning in this discussion. Basically, it is a tactic only used by lawyers when summing up to the jury for the otherwise unredeemable actions of their client[s].<br /><br />You speak of Heid in the past tense here. I had heard of some terrible times she has [or had?] gone through in her adult life from mutual friends. Again, I wished her the best, even though a virtual stranger to me. Please do not seek to lay her misfortunes at my door.<br />If she has passed away, I feel sad for a life cut short early, and you have my heartfelt condolences, which, if your previous attitude above still prevails, you may ridicule. But seeing as you have also lived decades of an adult life, you may realize that things that are ugly, or unwanted, or inconvenient truths, need to be looked at without the baggage of who's side one automatically might take.MannyLunchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06204813333814651778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674337471812945230.post-17101890113730449832019-05-07T14:26:40.109-04:002019-05-07T14:26:40.109-04:00And in Conclusion
The Heidi Book and Poster: Agai...And in Conclusion<br /><br />The Heidi Book and Poster: Again Ackerman's and Warren's vision as creative SF businessman. They did not commission these items as some sort of favor to us. Come on people--think, Jim Warren ran a business. The book and poster were advertised and sold through Warren Magazines. Apparently they did achieve some success with these items as they are still talked about and command high prices in the resale market. Look through the book--nothing revealing or inappropriate. The book consists primarily of family pictures (with various family friends and SF dignitaries like Gene Roddenberry and Arthur C. Clarke) and pictures of Heidi in various fully UnRevealing costumes. <br />Vampirella, The Heidi Book, and The Heidi Poster were a small part of Heidi's life at this time. She had multiple other interests and multiple artistic skills--poetry and painting among them. She ultimately grew bored with costuming and the tedious and puerile reactions from the riffraff, but she still attended conventions throughout the world. She also lived for a time in Los Angeles and developed and discussed film projects with John Huston, Roger Corman, and George Pal, among others in which she would have starred, but here again she decided to move on and focus on a more private and ultimately more rewarding side of her life and creativity. <br /><br />Heidi's Brother,<br />MattMatt5555https://www.blogger.com/profile/14114101232382159299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674337471812945230.post-28145143610929636722019-05-07T14:25:36.194-04:002019-05-07T14:25:36.194-04:00Furthermore with respect to
Vampirella: Here is th...Furthermore with respect to<br />Vampirella: Here is the truth of the matter. Forest J Ackerman created the character and Jim Warren published Vampirella. They were friends of my family. Forry was Not Godfather to Heidi. Ackerman and Warren did not owe my family any favors. Ackerman and Warren were Creatives and also Businessmen. They came to us to see if Heidi would appear as Vampirella at the very conventions that were the forerunners of today's Massive Comic Cons, where now everyone from young to old appears in costume promoting and appearing as their favorite characters. In this endeavor Ackerman and Warren and Heidi were visionaries. By the way, Ackerman himself appeared in costume at the very first World Con in 1939, so costuming was part of his DNA. Perdita Boardman was hired to make the Vampirella costume with design input from Warren and my mother, and Perdita was given credit for the work and was paid for her work. The Vampirella costume was nothing more revealing than a one piece bathing suit. Lascivious and lecherous thoughts can only be attributed to the losers who had these thoughts. The presentation and costume were very successful and Heidi received positive coverage in the press ranging from New York, The NY Daily News to Paris, Paris Match. Angelique Trouvere, stage name Destiny, appeared at some conventions in her own version of the Vampirella costume. A much more revealing costume. At that time in the science fiction community Destiny was thought to be a stripper, and Ackerman was not happy about these appearances and thought that she sullied his creation. Ackerman and Warren, as the creators and publishers of the character, had every right to sanction the version of Vampirella that they wanted presented. Angelique's current conclusion that my family was jealous of her and mean to her when she sometimes made simultaneous Vampirella appearances at conventions is laughable. She really was a minor character, along with Manny Maris. We cant believe that this character is still slithering around. Maris for some deranged reason decided to publish as addendum in The Creation program an adolescent and sadistic "poem" - if you can even call it that, and he attached to this piece some random picture of a sexually suggestive blond girl which was cribbed from Screw Magazine, or some other unsavory piece of trash, and which attacked Heidi and her mother. The supposed "poem" included the schoolyard taunt of "Seidi Hahaha." Disgusting. When my father first checked into the convention venue and saw this sick hit job he sought out Maris, found him, and picked him up and threw him against the wall. Maris is lucky my father chose this action rather than having him arrested and sued. He was then ejected and banned from The Convention. This is a true Me Too Moment. But here again a minor low life not worthy of further discussion.<br /><br />Heidi's Brother,<br />Matt<br />Matt5555https://www.blogger.com/profile/14114101232382159299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674337471812945230.post-52977232230298131902019-05-07T14:23:11.618-04:002019-05-07T14:23:11.618-04:00For some time we did not want to respond to these ...For some time we did not want to respond to these false narratives perpetuated by people who were not there or if they were there played very minor roles and are now seeking to change the history to make themselves look better. But unfortunately it seems these inaccuracies are taking a life of their own in the dark reaches of the internet and without light and disinfectant they are dangerously becoming the story. I know because I am Heidi's brother and I was there. Heidi was a forerunner and pioneer in Cosplay and costuming. In addition to Vampirella, she appeared as many other characters, including Wilma Deering and Sheena Queen of The Jungle. We were a creative family. My father was a well known SF editor and anthologist, and my mother was a writer and costume and wig designer for professional opera companies. Heidi and I were happy and willing participants in the creative arts and at that young age dressing as our favorite Comic and Science Fiction characters seemed to be a no brainer and one way for us to participate among and with all the well known and joyous artists and writers at Science Fiction gatherings. There was NO Stage Mother and NO Stage Father pushing us along. I appeared as Young Tarzan at numerous conventions and often won First Prize in the Best Presentation Young Category including at The World Con in Boston. Funny, and the peanut gallery forbid, I appeared in leopard loincloth shorts with no shirt, just as a young Tarzan would. No Me TOO moment there people--I guess because unlike the guys, there were not a whole lot of adolescent and frustrated young women casting ulterior motives and ugly pseudo sexual aspersions my way, and I am thankful for that. Heidi has a very proud, reserved, dignified and a nonchalant manner about her and if people take that to mean she was not a happy participant in the creative arts they are sorely wrong.<br /><br />Heidi's Brother,<br />MattMatt5555https://www.blogger.com/profile/14114101232382159299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674337471812945230.post-29302243280543996932018-06-30T13:52:47.733-04:002018-06-30T13:52:47.733-04:00I have a LOT to say on this subject as I knew Heid...I have a LOT to say on this subject as I knew Heidi and her family very well and, for a time, was Heidi's boyfriend when she was 15 and I was 16. We remained friends into our adult years and at one point Heidi lived with me in Los Angeles until she found her own place.<br /><br />I have nothing but good things to say about Heidi. She was genuinely sweet and, also being naaive at the time, was unfortunately a perfect target for those wanting to manipulate her for their own advantage. And so I frequently consoled her, again and again, following each disappointment in those she had trusted and believed in.<br /><br />A talented artist and lover of animals, by the time I met Heidi she wanted nothing more to do with the whole convention scene. Her mother, Taimi, however, had other ideas and was definitely an archetypal "stage mother" who seemed determined to live a more fulfilling and exciting life -- vicariously -- through her daughter. I've never seen a parent take so many photos of their child, even snapping photos of her in tears, her cheeks streaked with mascara, as Heidi, upset, tried to seek out some bit of privacy. <br /><br />A troubled girl when I first knew her, Heidi eventually found happiness and stability once she'd left the influence of her mother and eventually made a home of her own, living a quiet married life in Cooperstown, New York, painting and being with her animals. <br /><br />Heidi and I kept in touch for some time. From time to time she mailed me photos of herself in her new life and images of her artwork. But, as happens over geographical distance and the lapse of years, we eventually lost touch as I also married and made a more settled life for myself.<br /><br />I'm aware that her father, Art, passed away in 1999, but I never really knew him that well. A member of MENSA and a much respected editor of science fiction literature, he spent a majority of his time in his basement office hard at work. Her brother, Matt, grew up to be a handsome and friendly chap with acting ambitions (though he nearly drove me nuts as a child!). And whatever became of Taimi, I have no idea. But, as she had struggled with alchohol when I knew her, I can only hope she managed to break the hold it had over her. <br /><br />And as for dear, sweet, Heidi, I like to think of her in her happy, giggly moments, beaming her sparkling smile, her eyes filled with humor rather than sorrow. And wherever she is now, and whatever she's doing or not doing in her life (I assume still blessedly far away from the spotlight of her early teens), I wish her only the greatest love and happiness. Goodness knows, she's earned it.Poeboy7https://www.blogger.com/profile/13847158613075799009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674337471812945230.post-54396224690971127722017-10-04T18:55:14.516-04:002017-10-04T18:55:14.516-04:00Sadly my YouTube account got closed :(
But I put ...Sadly my YouTube account got closed :(<br /><br />But I put that video of the 1973 Comic Art Convention up on Dailymotion<br />Here is the link to it<br /><br />http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x637xr3<br /><br /><br />QuarXhttp://www.dailymotion.com/video/x637xr3noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674337471812945230.post-17795519808864197122016-04-21T19:55:30.693-04:002016-04-21T19:55:30.693-04:00I remember seeing her at the time. She never looke...I remember seeing her at the time. She never looked happy. She was like a piece of merchandise on display. I can understand why she got away from the whole scene as soon as she could.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16484534538130317079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674337471812945230.post-67576809273803974792015-10-22T19:29:27.981-04:002015-10-22T19:29:27.981-04:00Thanks very much, Mr. Quarx, for the link -- and, ...Thanks very much, Mr. Quarx, for the link -- and, of course, the footage!Richard Belandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09551263003857476982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674337471812945230.post-76144928523606045312015-10-12T17:30:18.622-04:002015-10-12T17:30:18.622-04:00I just found some footage of the 1973 Comic Art Co...I just found some footage of the 1973 Comic Art Convention ... I put it up on YouTube... enjoy<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_mfPU2Wttc<br /><br />Mr.QuarXhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04386596893159273941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674337471812945230.post-86226530653053019072015-08-09T22:45:56.878-04:002015-08-09T22:45:56.878-04:00Oh, and Jay, the 'fix' was in - Warren app...Oh, and Jay, the 'fix' was in - Warren approached Angelique 'Destiny' Trouvere and told her he didn't want her dressing up as Vampirella because he was titling Heidi the official Vampirella 'it' girl - in conjunction with his publishing that Heidi one-shot mag. Imagine the tremendous gall of Warren in addressing a contestant in an amateurs' contest for making their own costume and telling them they couldn't enter... because a girl who he had a business relationship with - and didn't make her own costumes - was picked by him to be the only one who could. I was one of the large part of the audience who jeered when the judges - do you remember who THEY were Jay? If you did you'd realize they were going to represent Warren's wishes - clearly ignored talent and classy self-effort to pick a pre-determined winner who essentially was violating the ethic of those early contests - to make your own costume.MannyLunchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06204813333814651778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674337471812945230.post-70352414153974962502015-08-09T22:34:16.988-04:002015-08-09T22:34:16.988-04:00I have to disagree with Jay Pearlman, even though ...I have to disagree with Jay Pearlman, even though my rejoinder comes a long while after his posted comment. The Best and ONLY place for my - not vicious, but absolutely no-holds-barred - satirical commentary on an innocent girl being abused by her parents, certainly violently by her mother at conventions [I witnessed her mom hitting - yes, hitting - her at a reception for con guests and staff because Heidi, already in tears, refused to pirouette around the ballroom to music from a cassette box her mother brought along ] was in media [the program book] distributed to said convention audience. Any other placement for that would have been overlooked, ignored, and not had the force of making it a subject of discussion amongst the very group that had not yet had their thoughts focused collectively objected to this young girls abuse. Yes, abuse. - Emanuel Maris<br /><br />you can read my previous, more detailed comments on this situation here:<br /><br />http://www.vampilore.co.uk/sandbox/models/heidi-saha-poem.phpMannyLunchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06204813333814651778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674337471812945230.post-86777065769038611382015-03-03T15:12:26.277-05:002015-03-03T15:12:26.277-05:00For some reason, her name popped into my mind a fe...For some reason, her name popped into my mind a few days ago, (only Heidi, it took some time before my subconscious came up with Saha) and I wondered whatever became of her. I remember again today that I planned to see if she was on the net, and I found your history. Very well done and a good read that brings the story full circle. Thanks! Philnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674337471812945230.post-91925293533592281432015-01-22T22:25:15.356-05:002015-01-22T22:25:15.356-05:00That was over 20 years ago when I stumbled upon a ...That was over 20 years ago when I stumbled upon a copy. It contained nothing of interest to me. It simply resembled a scrapbook of family photos, a number of which showed this Heidi kid in various costumes. Had I known then that in another 20 years I could sell it for a hundred times that amount, I would have bought it.Richard Belandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09551263003857476982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674337471812945230.post-4392996242854834772015-01-22T19:41:36.934-05:002015-01-22T19:41:36.934-05:00Why didn't You buy The little book if it was o...Why didn't You buy The little book if it was only US$ 15?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674337471812945230.post-4750075598960691202014-07-29T03:08:07.894-04:002014-07-29T03:08:07.894-04:00Very interesting and well written--I was at all of...Very interesting and well written--I was at all of those cons, about a year older than Heidi--I knew her a bit--she really wasn't that interested in doing the costume thing--I remember how pissed off Angelique was--she was also very nice person, got the raw end that year--Heidi never really wanted to do all that--it was her parents--I was actually more interested in Phil Seulings daughters-a little older they were and a little prettier---Tom sciacca comicsversehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12975116453726432983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674337471812945230.post-73126529414786690572013-05-30T18:14:37.857-04:002013-05-30T18:14:37.857-04:00I'd never heard of her before this article, bu...I'd never heard of her before this article, but it was an interesting read. Thanks for sharing it.bblackmoorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16617692481304880921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674337471812945230.post-88217552037416345672013-05-27T11:55:57.550-04:002013-05-27T11:55:57.550-04:00You left out the latter J.K.Potter period of Heidi...You left out the latter J.K.Potter period of Heidi's modeling where Potter tried to give some well-deserved dignity to Heidi's creative efforts. <br />They did some cool work together. No one seems to remember this. Sad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674337471812945230.post-69445645777323715762013-03-14T16:04:00.295-04:002013-03-14T16:04:00.295-04:00I remember when all that was going on; I was two y... I remember when all that was going on; I was two years older than Heidi, and considered buying the poster and the book, although I never did. <br /><br /> I'd always wondered what happened to her. <br />Personally, I think Forry might've been a bit of a creeper.-Alan D Hopewellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05588625423455924651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674337471812945230.post-2524368289342550802012-07-24T09:44:04.670-04:002012-07-24T09:44:04.670-04:00I remember the convention where the magazine first...I remember the convention where the magazine first came out. No one wanted it. It seemed thoroughly bizarre that the conventioneers, mostly male, mostly older than Heidi, and mostly physically unappealing, would be willing to fork over money for a magazine about a seemingly aloof girl, who didn't even want to be there. The story goes that Warren printed only 500, to test the waters, and sold only 150.<br /><br />I was also with Manny in a hotel room at the Creation Convention. I couldn't believe that he had written that hurtful thing and had it published but I also thought it was very funny. Manny spoke of what he said were his true intentions, even while I was reading it. In a way, the poem will follow Manny through his whole life too.Comic Geek First Classnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7674337471812945230.post-33831221195740158332012-04-26T15:08:49.729-04:002012-04-26T15:08:49.729-04:00WTF? That girl was smee-okin hot and I have NOOOO ...WTF? That girl was smee-okin hot and I have NOOOO problem with her age-obviuosly SOMEONE knew that and let her do it anyway-pansiesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com